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News & Issues > Let Me Try This Again~~ Here is the Obama Bc

  Let Me Try This Again~~ Here is the Obama Bc







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continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document --

Subject: Obama NOT A Naturlaized Amercian Citizen? - Not Eligible For President


An authentic Hawaiian birth certificate for another Hawaiian individual has since surfaced which, using the same official form as the presumptive Obama certificate, includes an embossed official seal and an authoritative signature, coming through from the back. Obama's alleged certificate lacks those features, and the certificate number referencing the birth year has been blacked out, making it untraceable.

Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."

Compare the top image presented by his campaign as evidence of Obama's 1961 birth and the other certifying the birth of one Patricia Decosta.

Click for higher resolution image. Click for higher resolution image.

So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama -- because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a "Certification of Live Birth" -- must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.

Whereas the uncertified Obama document provides the date "filed by registrar", the certified DeCosta document provides the date "accepted by the registrar." The difference between filing an application for a Certification of Live Birth and having it accepted may be key here.

The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature.

The failure of the Obama campaign to do so, and its willingness instead to put up an invalid, uncertified image -- what now appears to be a crude forgery -- raises the dramatic question of why the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate might have to hide.

Until now, it has been thought that there might be some embarrassing information on the real certificate: was the candidate's name something other than Barack Hussein Obama II, as it is claimed? Was no father listed because of the uncertainty over Obama's paternity? Was his father's race listed as Arab, or Muslim, rather than African? These revelations might be embarrassing, and further undermine his credibility, but he could disavow and downplay their significance. Would revealing such embarrassment outweigh the far greater risks involved in perpetuating a palpable forgery, or passing off an uncertified official document as being certified?

There is one possibility, however, which alone might justify the risk that Obama and his campaign seems to be taking in putting forward the uncertified document image: Obama was not in fact born in Hawaii and may not be an American citizen at all, or at least not a "natural born citizen" as the Constitution defines the requirement for the nation's chief executive. Real original birth certificates, circa 1961, have all kinds of verifiable information that would confirm Obama's origins, or throw them into doubt should they be lacking.

Research has since uncovered the law, in force at the time of Obama's birth, that were he to have been born in another country, his young American mother's youth extended time abroad would not suffice to make him a "natural born citizen." Even if he were naturalized later -- and there is no evidence that he was -- he would not be eligible to run for the office of president and -- if forgery or misrepresentation were involved -- he and his staffers might find themselves facing stiff federal and state charges.

But if, at this late date, Obama has no proof of being a US citizen by law, natural born or otherwise, then he or his advisers may be tempted to try to "tough out" the allegations about his "birth certificate" or the lack thereof. He and his campaign have gotten through other embarrassments: maybe this one will go away, too.

Because the consequences were he to admit, or should it come out, that he was not born in Hawaii would be so grave as to make it tempting to take the gamble and hope that no one dares call his most audacious bluff by demanding proof. Talk about the audacity of hope.

But now the State of Hawaii has dashed those hopes by clarifying that a certified birth certificate must have an embossed seal and signature, features his claimed birth certificate image lack.

The longer Obama waits, the graver grow the consequences of waiting.

There is one simple way for the candidate to clear up the issue once and for all: produce for public inspection and objective analysis the paper copy of his original Hawaiian birth certificate -- if one exists. If he's lost the original, he can request a certified copy. Ordinary citizens are required to produce one to get a passport or a driver's license. Surely it's not too much to ask from a man who aspires to hold the highest office in the land.

The issue is not whether Obama is black or white, Christian or Muslim. It is whether he was born in the USA and thus a citizen eligible according to the Constitution to run for President.

If proof of citizenship does not exist, then surely it would be wiser to admit it now.

Because if Barack Hussein Obama II does not produce definitive proof of his "natural born" American citizenship with original, verifiable documents, he will be setting the stage for a very public battle over his personal credibility, the basic legitimacy of his candidacy, and its possible criminality.



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Hope this comes out better. This is quite interesting I must say. Don't know if it is true or not but, like I said sadly *nothing* surprises me anymore.


posted on June 29, 2008 1:49 AM ()

Comments:

Okay dragonfly, I guess I am confused Who are you speaking to and who is filling you mailbox with smut?! Don't think I have ever left you a message in your blogs except the message I left you here because I thought you were calling me a racist Sorry if I was wrong. Brian
comment by brian45 on July 1, 2008 7:05 AM ()
Woooowwwww! Why are you doggin' me?! I thought we were cool Hollywould My old name had ZILCH to do with me being Aryan or the skinhead movment. "Skin" means that I like to keep my head shaved just because I like the look dawg; not because I have anything against anyone of a particular nationality or color Why don't you e-mail me with your concerns rather than putting this stuff out for public consumption?! *grin* Wowwwww, someone's been talking to you and I thought you were independent minded Maybe I'm wrong
reply by brian45 on July 2, 2008 4:39 PM ()
So I am curious, based on your old "name" and some of your old comments, are you a white nationalist? I mean there are many types of white nationalists and not all of them are racists, I was just curious.
reply by mmmhollywould on July 2, 2008 4:34 PM ()
If you all want a war veteran then you could select me. I did a tour, got wounded and spent 7 months in a military hospital, but I would respectfully turn it down because I refuse to be corrupted, and as the saying goes, absolute power corrupts. I will enjoy not being a politician, thank you. Military service or combat does not - in my book - become a natural qualification for the Presidency. Being intelligent, compassionate, strong and patriotic does.
comment by jondude on June 30, 2008 5:49 PM ()
Being intelligent, compassionate, strong and patriotic does.
comment by jondude on June 30, 2008 7:49 PM (CST) [ reply ]

Yes, I agree!!! But, I'm not really convinced on how patriotic Obama is. Intelligent true but, book smarts aren't everything I believe gut instinct and common sense outweigh a lot of the time. I would rather have someone in office who has been there and done that and has experience too. Just my opinion.
reply by texastar on June 30, 2008 6:59 PM ()
Of course, I am one of your "wimpy Liberals", but this is really petty, pitiful BS. Do you really think every security agency in the country has not absolutely verified something as basic as his citizenship by now (or McCain's)? Why is he subjected to so much hatred? You should see the hateful statements I get in my emails every day! I think many of the attacks begin with racists too politically correct to openly attack the color of his skin.
comment by dragonflyby on June 30, 2008 5:06 PM ()
Sorry dottie, I had to open my mouth, see below...
reply by ekyprogressive on July 1, 2008 3:33 AM ()
Just so you know if Condi Rice was running for President I would vote for her in a heartbeat. So how's that for someone who is African American and a WOMAN? I would be more inclined to vote for Collin Powell too than John McCain but John is the one who has the Republican nomination so, that is who I am voting for. There is NO WAY I would vote for Obama!!
reply by texastar on June 30, 2008 6:56 PM ()
Well Dottie, this has NOTHING to do with the color of his skin. Also I posted on here and on blogster this article which has both *PRO* and *CON* links. By the way YOU came to my blog not the other way around. The more I hear and see out of Obama the less I like him and it has NOTHING to do with his race or color but what he does and does not stand for. I have been nothing but nice and supportive to you in my comments. Even in the loss of your son recently. If you don't like what I post then you can just not read it or comment. I NEVER said this was the truth or a fact I just said it was INTERESTING!!! Maybe you should READ ALL of my post and ALL of the COMMENTS here before you comment.
reply by texastar on June 30, 2008 6:45 PM ()
How sad a reply! YOU are not the one filling my mailbox with smut, so I clearly was not talking about YOU PERSONALLY!! It was meant as a more general comment. Considering your attitude, pardon me- I will be sure to never visit your posts again. I prefer kinder, more positive people.
reply by dragonflyby on June 30, 2008 5:52 PM ()
I am by no means a racist just to set the record straight. Am EXTREMELY INSULTED by your ignorant comment considering you do not know me. You do not accuse people of those types of things. You are just sadly grasping for straws I'm afraid ;( It is really sad that you have to pull all of this crapola out of your hat Have given you reasons within my blog and in comments I have left for other people WHY I do not think Barrack is fit to to President. This has NOTHING to with the "color of his skin" but his background and lack of political expertise. Obama has got a free ride through this whole election with people bowing to him like he is the coming of Christ and is going to save the world How about the sexism directed towards Hillary Clinton?! Now you can tell me about HATE! That was certainly clear coming from the left NOT THE RIGHT Have a wonderful evening
reply by brian45 on June 30, 2008 5:37 PM ()
My motto "Think with your head, not your heart" when it comes to reacting to peoples reactionary stances
comment by brian45 on June 30, 2008 5:00 PM ()
Dude, WTF is with that reply to dragonflyby?! Have you ran out of meds or what. Go get an emergency refill. Yea, she may not know you, but brother I do, I was the first to greet you at blogster, when your name was "Skinhead44" and I remember some of what you posted under that name! So just keep that in mind when you decide to go off on a I am not racist tangent and attack someone who WASN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT YOU PERSONALLY! So be nice...

http://skinhead44.blogster.com/bos_lock_em_thow_away_key

" skinhead44 said 1 years ago
1070 articles?!! WOW! You've been doing a lot of work here. How long have you been on blogster? OJ is DIRT! I'm surprised you mentioned the lowlife wanted to "scream the race card" because I heard he was fairly calm when they asked him to leave the restauraunt or maybe this was ANOTHER place he was kicked out of. Heard he was thrown off of a golf course or two as welI!! This may be offensive to some (I was obviously offended by JoeRepublican in a posting regarding my racial views...) but I feel so many people of color feel they can get away with crap that others can't because of various minority protection laws that white people don't have. I fear that if you give a black individual some power or money like rappers, politicians, etc., they will turn on white people just as quickly as look at them. "

reply by ekyprogressive on July 1, 2008 3:32 AM ()
Very, very true!!
reply by texastar on June 30, 2008 5:03 PM ()
Jenn, I am having a problem locating your response Maybe it is because I just woke up from a nap Anyway, I have been watching C-Span a good part of the day. Really enjoy the "call in" shows where citizens who represent all parties can let their opinion be known. A LIFELONG DEMOCRAT (he sounded in his fifties, possibly older) called in to say that although he thought Obama was a "charming, intelligent" man, he felt Obama did not have the experience or political know how to be Commander in Chief of the United States!! This gentleman also brought up how the whole idea that McCain is going to be a "third term" Bush is NONSENSE and leftist propaganda! McCain is an independent thinker and has been against many of Bush's policies; his bi-partisanship is evident as is his charm when he wants to use it to his advantage. The Democrats are really (LOL) not thinking with their brains and going for surface over substance which is really, really sad I have learned not to argue with people that believe certain things to be true. Guess the proof will come with who actually wins the election, the experience and intelligence of their chosen VP, and the job they end up doing
comment by brian45 on June 30, 2008 4:58 PM ()
I don't know if you saw this comment here:

Maybe Obama thinks they will faint dead away when he starts talking like some of his followers do when they go to his rallies/speeches.
reply by texastar on June 30, 2008 6:35 PM (CST)

You know so many like him for the reason you stated here about the democrat in his 50's calling in. A lot of folks voted the first time for Bill Clinton because they like to listen to him talk and said that he was better looking that George H.W. Bush. Wow what a reason to vote for someone.
reply by texastar on June 30, 2008 5:02 PM ()
Its no wonder he likes me soooo Much..
comment by ekyprogressive on June 30, 2008 4:27 PM ()
Oh yeah!!
reply by texastar on June 30, 2008 4:32 PM ()
were you aware that McCain's citizenship is also been in question?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/

Personally, I think both are just trying to "reach for straws" and make the campaigns about "non-issue" issues. But that is just me. But the discussion from your post on "the other place" continued on Joes, and got very in-depth, down to the sections and the statutes.
comment by ekyprogressive on June 30, 2008 4:22 PM ()
Some of his one-liners are quite funny.
reply by texastar on June 30, 2008 4:33 PM ()
He came to my site and had to tell me I was "stupid as a sack of rocks". Of course, I had to remind him its a "box of rocks" and a "sack of hammers"
reply by ekyprogressive on June 30, 2008 4:27 PM ()
I have been reading that, although John McCain was born on a military base. Yes, I read that over on Joe's. I never dreamed he would post the same thing again. Geez man!! I haven't been back over there since last night or the wee hours of this morning. Probably are reaching for straws.
reply by texastar on June 30, 2008 4:24 PM ()
Jenn, you are "OFF THE HOOK" girl (that means rocking in a good way ) with this blog and your long comment about the legitimacy of Obama's citizenship. Now someone has to explain to me why intelligent, mature AMERICANS, who obviously have not received lobotomies, (think that is the right spelling....) are supporting this inexperienced fast talker Liberals make such stupid choices and then they whiiiiiiiine about it later on....just wait until he gets in Office-if he does....just you wait
comment by brian45 on June 29, 2008 3:23 PM ()
I really *hope* and *pray* that he doesn't get into office. I didn't mean for the comment to be that long. I was putting the link on that response.
reply by texastar on June 29, 2008 11:16 PM ()
Total hoooey.
comment by marta on June 29, 2008 7:48 AM ()
Like I said below here and to you on my blogster post there is a *pro* and *con* link. I don't know why it didn't show up here.
reply by texastar on June 29, 2008 1:07 PM ()
Good one Jenn Liberals are frickin' idiots. I hope the right smears him so much that he will pull out of the campaign. And you know what, IF Obama does become President, his people will be the first one to jump all over and criticize him once he gets into office, just as much as they have bowed to his feet now Bunch of spineless wimps
comment by brian45 on June 29, 2008 7:12 AM ()
Maybe Obama thinks they will faint dead away when he starts talking like some of his followers do when they go to his rallies/speeches.
reply by texastar on June 30, 2008 4:35 PM ()
Jenn, enjoyed the comment actually
reply by brian45 on June 29, 2008 11:22 PM ()
We need a REAL MAN, a soldier who has been through war, in the White House and can relate to the reality that IS WAR Whoever said fighting in battle was "pretty"...LOL. Wimps!! Obama's delusional thinking that he can just wave a magic wand and threats of terrorism are going to away What is the military for anyways if it isn't to protect our country and our freedom?!! Good men and women go to war; cowards stay home and complain about it
reply by brian45 on June 29, 2008 3:17 PM ()
Thank you! Like I said to Jondude below this article has a *pro* and *con* link to it. I don't know why it didn't show up here like it did on blogster. This is still interesting as are so many things surrounding this canidate. I do not care for him and haven't from the beginning. The more I hear and see from him the more he and his wife scare me.
reply by texastar on June 29, 2008 1:04 PM ()
Might as well just stamp the big "L" on Obuttheads forehead right now Jenn
reply by brian45 on June 29, 2008 8:06 AM ()
Bullshit. All bullshit concocted by the same people who "swiftboated" John Kerry. Never, ever trust a Republican to be truthful when they know they are losing.
comment by jondude on June 29, 2008 6:18 AM ()
reply by brian45 on June 30, 2008 5:39 PM ()
Sorry about the lonnnnng response. I was just letting you know that there was a *pro* and *con* link to what I posted. I posted the same thing on blogster and it showed up. Don't know why it didn't here. I am trying to be fair here.
reply by texastar on June 29, 2008 12:57 PM ()
I feel the same way about Democrats. This link was suppose to be with this post. I don't know why it wasn't because it was on my blogster post and it is the same post.

Click for higher resolution image. Click for higher resolution image.

So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama -- because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a "Certification of Live Birth" -- must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.

Whereas the uncertified Obama document provides the date "filed by registrar", the certified DeCosta document provides the date "accepted by the registrar." The difference between filing an application for a Certification of Live Birth and having it accepted may be key here.

The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature.

The failure of the Obama campaign to do so, and its willingness instead to put up an invalid, uncertified image -- what now appears to be a crude forgery -- raises the dramatic question of why the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate might have to hide.

Until now, it has been thought that there might be some embarrassing information on the real certificate: was the candidate's name something other than Barack Hussein Obama II, as it is claimed? Was no father listed because of the uncertainty over Obama's paternity? Was his father's race listed as Arab, or Muslim, rather than African? These revelations might be embarrassing, and further undermine his credibility, but he could disavow and downplay their significance. Would revealing such embarrassment outweigh the far greater risks involved in perpetuating a palpable forgery, or passing off an uncertified official document as being certified?

There is one possibility, however, which alone might justify the risk that Obama and his campaign seems to be taking in putting forward the uncertified document image: Obama was not in fact born in Hawaii and may not be an American citizen at all, or at least not a "natural born citizen" as the Constitution defines the requirement for the nation's chief executive. Real original birth certificates, circa 1961, have all kinds of verifiable information that would confirm Obama's origins, or throw them into doubt should they be lacking.

Research has since uncovered the law, in force at the time of Obama's birth, that were he to have been born in another country, his young American mother's youth extended time abroad would not suffice to make him a "natural born citizen." Even if he were naturalized later -- and there is no evidence that he was -- he would not be eligible to run for the office of president and -- if forgery or misrepresentation were involved -- he and his staffers might find themselves facing stiff federal and state charges.

But if, at this late date, Obama has no proof of being a US citizen by law, natural born or otherwise, then he or his advisers may be tempted to try to "tough out" the allegations about his "birth certificate" or the lack thereof. He and his campaign have gotten through other embarrassments: maybe this one will go away, too.

Because the consequences were he to admit, or should it come out, that he was not born in Hawaii would be so grave as to make it tempting to take the gamble and hope that no one dares call his most audacious bluff by demanding proof. Talk about the audacity of hope.

But now the State of Hawaii has dashed those hopes by clarifying that a certified birth certificate must have an embossed seal and signature, features his claimed birth certificate image lack.

The longer Obama waits, the graver grow the consequences of waiting.

There is one simple way for the candidate to clear up the issue once and for all: produce for public inspection and objective analysis the paper copy of his original Hawaiian birth certificate -- if one exists. If he's lost the original, he can request a certified copy. Ordinary citizens are required to produce one to get a passport or a driver's license. Surely it's not too much to ask from a man who aspires to hold the highest office in the land.

The issue is not whether Obama is black or white, Christian or Muslim. It is whether he was born in the USA and thus a citizen eligible according to the Constitution to run for President.

If proof of citizenship does not exist, then surely it would be wiser to admit it now.

Because if Barack Hussein Obama II does not produce definitive proof of his "natural born" American citizenship with original, verifiable documents, he will be setting the stage for a very public battle over his personal credibility, the basic legitimacy of his candidacy, and its possible criminality.

http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/documents/doc_decosta_pat_birth.jpg.

Or you can look at my post on blogster

http://chihulahualover.blogster.com/subject-obama-not-a-naturlaized-amercian-citizen-not-eligible-for-president_290608040234


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reply by texastar on June 29, 2008 12:55 PM ()
American politics--gotta love it!!
comment by jjoohhnn on June 29, 2008 2:23 AM ()
Oh yeah for sure!!
reply by texastar on June 29, 2008 12:46 PM ()

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